The Human Heart

p sure creator left bc they're a groomer.

I feel the same way, but that's how the losers on twi- I mean the internet works. All it takes is one...ONE bad thing to make you labeled as a bad person with no signs of redemption. Yes, Grooming is bad...but people can change and repent for their mistakes...BUT NOOOOOOOOO, everyone has to let their idiotic brains tell them other wise...really pathetic. Let people try and change rather than forcing the past on them ffs...Idc if people hate me for saying the truth, I'm just saying. Also yes I did read it

wait what controversy? sorry i'm super out of the loop when it comes to this type of stuff.

you have a point, we make mistakes too

Yes, and also a groomer

rowley can i ask how many vns r u reading saw u allot 

What is the NSFW account username?

Hi

1-Totally agree

2-Long story short! FOR WHAT I UNDERSTAND, Leo (the creator )groomed some minors trough chats because he had some similar experiences in his childhood, the one that was out for the public has been acting pretty sexual to adults in purpose when he was a minor, so is probably that we wanted this results (this is for what I understand and read, if I’m wrong in some way, feel free to correct me)

Important links:

SHI(the minor) call out post: https://twitter.com/P1NS_N_NEEDLES/status/1773501038978646527

(Leo responded to it but he deleted the post but here is the PDF of his apology and response:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1PtroKDxnheI8uxARSpWCL_xc6qlK1yh0ZK2OjfKYlq8/edit

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Ks5rPHxG93FEh0tppEPpBG5euHEe69En7IVkY22KyWA/edit#heading=h.1f5g0ydt57qb

Shi's sexual behaviour:

https://twitter.com/LokiBaraHot/status/1773553543963701299

https://twitter.com/Vanillanomas/status/1773701678933397753

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Ks5rPHxG93FEh0tppEPpBG5euHEe69En7IVkY22KyWA/edit

(The last one was written by Leo and then other person)

3-Yeah the Android versions are pretty unstable, is probably gonna take a while until there is a new update so try to use the more stable ones and pin them so they work.

(Again, if someone who knows more about the topic and sees that I said something wrong, please correct me in the replies, for more info read the comments made by:https://itch.io/profile/makato123  )

Do you know what happened to LeoTheLionel?

I really worry about him.

What happens to your Twitter and where are you?

To be clear he didn't actually touch anybody allegedly, this was all online (still bad, we're talking sending nudes etc).

Basic gist is that Leo (the dev) was isolated as a child, found porn at the age of 11 and joined a bad discord at the age of 15 filled with pedophiles and porn addicts. He would be groomed at the age of 16 by a 20 year old and his boyfriend (sexting, nudes, sexual livestreams) and the rest of the discord group encouraged and normalised the sharing of nudes/sexts between all members, minors and adults.

By 18 he learned of grooming and pedophilia but his brain was so cooked by porn addiction and being groomed himself that he would go onto groom minors himself (for 4 years when he was 18-22), including the person who did the callout (Year 2022, Leo age 22, victim age 16). I'm not going to go into details (basically it escalated once age was established, mutual nudes, livestreaming, mutual r18 artworks). 

The two would then eventually drop communication. Victim has neutral feelings, has moved on and hopes Leo can grow from this. Leo hid his actions from everyone as he didn't want it to define his character. He seems pretty open to taking responsibility (he has admitted to 6 victims ranging from ages 14-19 but hasn't revealed their identities; this is fine imo, respect their anonymity and agency to pursue whatever path they want.)

In addition Leo has allegedly purged his discord of channels (and therefore chatlogs) which is also fine imo. His wrongdoings have already been brought to light and his reputation tarnished. His power over others was his clout as a creator and NOT him physically abusing others. I wouldn't want someone who was also a victim of grooming and who is still young himself to go to prison which could ruin his life even further than it already had been when he himself was groomed himself as a minor.

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I hope the takeaway here isn't simply to throw people under the bus when they become inconvenient and call it a day. It's to have a wider conversation on the glorification of pornography in the furry, especially when there's minors whose developing minds are exposed to harmful ideas about consent and sexuality that leaves them vulnerable to predators.

If we are to prevent future victims of grooming or give them a place of refuge, we have to build community. If we are to fight back against perpetrators who refuse to take accountability for their actions or who contribute to the production, distribution or consumption of CSAM, we have to be organised.

The victims of grooming here were isolated and vulnerable and who took any community they could find. To beat the false warmth of love-bombing we can't just be cold and callous to others from the sidelines. We need to approach this with real warmth, with empathy towards even Leo as he's only part of the cyclical perpetuation of groomers. 

And we need to have a firm stance on what is and isn't acceptable so we don't spend time arguing in circles. How to include minors (if even at all) and how to deal with creators forced into leadership positions by their followers who both refuse to take responsibility for the power dynamic this creates, where individuals are suddenly responsible for the morality of hundreds if not thousands of strangers. What qualifies as kink that adults can fully communicate and consent to and what takes advantage of those who lack the capacity or agency to meaningfully consent.

I hope I'm not coming across as forgiving of Leo, far from it. But I want us to appreciate how Leo has consented to his own deplatforming and how rare this is in a time where dickheads and actual criminals often shirk accountability and coast off of the residual goodwill by preying on our collective isolation and porn addictions.

God the furry community can be dumb and awful.

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Original callout post: https://twitter.com/P1NS_N_NEEDLES/status/1773501038978646527

Reply tweet by Leo (locked so I'll link the pdfs within): https://twitter.com/LeoTheLionel/status/1773549458678030571

Leo's confession: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1PtroKDxnheI8uxARSpWCL_xc6qlK1yh0ZK2OjfKYlq8/...

Leo's response to the callout post: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Ks5rPHxG93FEh0tppEPpBG5euHEe69En7IVkY22KyWA/...

creator is a bad person if that's what you mean

edit wth did i get -5 yall i just told u the truth😭

The post got deleted/is unavailable, could you do a TLDR please?