Ok, so what is going on exactly!? I read this vn sometime last year then read the reboot earlier this year. I honestly forgot about it for awhile but always waited for a new update. I was randomly scrolling through some of my old comments and saw I posted one on this page as a review for the reboot. I started to read some of the comments that were posted after that and read that the creator is a pedophile!? Bro, could someone tell me if this is real or not and does this mean The Human Heart is finished? Like, just got written off!?
I advise you to look at the comment by “YVIUSALS” right here in the game comments, there are links to documents and other things for you to understand better about this subject.
In short (and that what I understood), Leotheleonel was a groomer who had inappropriate conversations with minors, with nudes and such. He turned himself in after a someone accused him of grooming when he was 16.
When he confessed to his affair, he also confessed that he had done it with other people, including a 14-year-old boy.
Currently, his SFW account has been suspended since May, when he confessed to his crime, but his NSFW account came back more or less 6 months after that case (apparently, he kept his patreon active regardless of his statement).
There's no word on the game at the moment (as far as I know), and it's likely to remain stagnant, without updates or cancellation, as its image has been soiled by all this (but I still hope that the game will be finished).
grooming is a bad thing but i still really hate how things turned out :( idk if i interpreted it wrong or didn't hear the full story but it seemed like he was trying to leave it in the past? and the whole "oh, this person did a bad thing so they're a bad person forever and can never change" pisses me off
I feel the same way, but that's how the losers on twi- I mean the internet works. All it takes is one...ONE bad thing to make you labeled as a bad person with no signs of redemption. Yes, Grooming is bad...but people can change and repent for their mistakes...BUT NOOOOOOOOO, everyone has to let their idiotic brains tell them other wise...really pathetic. Let people try and change rather than forcing the past on them ffs...Idc if people hate me for saying the truth, I'm just saying. Also yes I did read it
mmm no, grooming is a not only a bad thing, is a HUGE bad thing that change a victims life, I was victim of grooming at young age and is not a situacion of "he change!!!" No. people dont change THIS, damage is done, there is a victim! have some respect for the victim
ALSO, they were MINORS, underage people!!!! this is not a case of grooming to a person of the same age, this were MINORS said by himself in his "apology" a very bad one also.
2-Long story short! FOR WHAT I UNDERSTAND, Leo (the creator )groomed some minors trough chats because he had some similar experiences in his childhood, the one that was out for the public has been acting pretty sexual to adults in purpose when he was a minor, so is probably that we wanted this results (this is for what I understand and read, if I’m wrong in some way, feel free to correct me)
(The last one was written by Leo and then other person)
3-Yeah the Android versions are pretty unstable, is probably gonna take a while until there is a new update so try to use the more stable ones and pin them so they work.
(Again, if someone who knows more about the topic sees that I said something wrong, please correct me in the replies, for more info read the comments made by:https://itch.io/profile/makato123 )
I'd like to continue the visual novel again I don't know whats stopping from me but something bugging me because of the comments, i really don't know what happened but I'd like to keep supporting this visual novel even if it doesn't get updates
The comments are weird tbh idk whats happening and I don't wanna know because lets just mind our own business, and don't have an authority to hate them for some mistake, we are people too we make mistakes too.
So you're saying you've made a "mistake" as grave as grooming minors? I understand second chances but that minor doesn't have a second chance at having a normal childhood because someone without morals violated them.
It sickens me that you are so dismissive about Leo grooming minors calling it a "mistake". That is beyond disgraceful and you should be ashamed of yourself. Children were taken advantage of and exploited and their minds have now been forever tainted by this corrupted individual and you could care less. I hope your pillow is cold tonight.
Mr.Leo,I have something to say to you: you can't stop making 'The Human Heart'. When I download this game,I have never seen the amazing furry characters in my life and I wondered who will be my soul mate. So,I am begging you,in the bottom of my heart,please bring back my favorite vn game in the whole entire world and pretty please,get well soon!
This game and story was so good, unfortunately the creator of this Leo isn't working on it anymore as far as I know. He's been active in his Patreon and NSFW account, hopefully he's working on the game.
I don't know about the points. But I know that you can't romance the officer. He was planned to be datable (Lines of code show he could earn points) But then the game was rebooted.
2-Long story short! FOR WHAT I UNDERSTAND, Leo (the creator )groomed some minors trough chats because he had some similar experiences in his childhood, the one that was out for the public has been acting pretty sexual to adults in purpose when he was a minor, so is probably that we wanted this results (this is for what I understand and read, if I’m wrong in some way, feel free to correct me)
(The last one was written by Leo and then other person)
3-Yeah the Android versions are pretty unstable, is probably gonna take a while until there is a new update so try to use the more stable ones and pin them so they work.
(Again, if someone who knows more about the topic and sees that I said something wrong, please correct me in the replies, for more info read the comments made by:https://itch.io/profile/makato123 )
such a shame that this will never be finished, i loved the art style the minute i saw it, and to add salt to the wound, i share name with the creator :[
You know, the story with you is funny, at first we disliked you, then we fell in love, huh. It all started in 2021, when my friend and I found various VN, (I won't hide it, I liked the bear in the background and we wanted to download) we adored this game, in 2022 we saw porn with our favorite characters and we were shocked. And then we quickly accepted it. We were constantly visiting you on Twitter and were on the discord server. It's a pity that this game won't get a sequel anymore
Honestly, if I had any knowledge of Renpy, or y'know... art. I'd definitely think of trying to remake this myself. Because I do genuinely love the boys in this game.
I know it might be unlikely, but I really hope he keeps developing this game. I like his characters and art style. I know what happened, I'm not defending any of it, but I just like this game and want a finished product.
I JUST FINISHED THE GAME AND WAS REALLY EXCITED FRO A CONTINUATION AND IT TURNS OUT THE DEV IS A KIDDIE DIDDLER AND IT WON'T BE CONTINUED???????? istg if someone doesn't continue this i'm gonna learn ren'py and do it myself
To be clear he didn't actually touch anybody allegedly, this was all online (still bad, we're talking sending nudes etc).
Basic gist is that Leo (the dev) was isolated as a child, found porn at the age of 11 and joined a bad discord at the age of 15 filled with pedophiles and porn addicts. He would be groomed at the age of 16 by a 20 year old and his boyfriend (sexting, nudes, sexual livestreams) and the rest of the discord group encouraged and normalised the sharing of nudes/sexts between all members, minors and adults.
By 18 he learned of grooming and pedophilia but his brain was so cooked by porn addiction and being groomed himself that he would go onto groom minors himself (for 4 years when he was 18-22), including the person who did the callout (Year 2022, Leo age 22, victim age 16). I'm not going to go into details (basically it escalated once age was established, mutual nudes, livestreaming, mutual r18 artworks).
The two would then eventually drop communication. Victim has neutral feelings, has moved on and hopes Leo can grow from this. Leo hid his actions from everyone as he didn't want it to define his character. He seems pretty open to taking responsibility (he has admitted to 6 victims ranging from ages 14-19 but hasn't revealed their identities; this is fine imo, respect their anonymity and agency to pursue whatever path they want.)
In addition Leo has allegedly purged his discord of channels (and therefore chatlogs) which is also fine imo. His wrongdoings have already been brought to light and his reputation tarnished. His power over others was his clout as a creator and NOT him physically abusing others. I wouldn't want someone who was also a victim of grooming and who is still young himself to go to prison which could ruin his life even further than it already had been when he himself was groomed himself as a minor.
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I hope the takeaway here isn't simply to throw people under the bus when they become inconvenient and call it a day. It's to have a wider conversation on the glorification of pornography in the furry, especially when there's minors whose developing minds are exposed to harmful ideas about consent and sexuality that leaves them vulnerable to predators.
If we are to prevent future victims of grooming or give them a place of refuge, we have to build community. If we are to fight back against perpetrators who refuse to take accountability for their actions or who contribute to the production, distribution or consumption of CSAM, we have to be organised.
The victims of grooming here were isolated and vulnerable and who took any community they could find. To beat the false warmth of love-bombing we can't just be cold and callous to others from the sidelines. We need to approach this with real warmth, with empathy towards even Leo as he's only part of the cyclical perpetuation of groomers.
And we need to have a firm stance on what is and isn't acceptable so we don't spend time arguing in circles. How to include minors (if even at all) and how to deal with creators forced into leadership positions by their followers who both refuse to take responsibility for the power dynamic this creates, where individuals are suddenly responsible for the morality of hundreds if not thousands of strangers. What qualifies as kink that adults can fully communicate and consent to and what takes advantage of those who lack the capacity or agency to meaningfully consent.
I hope I'm not coming across as forgiving of Leo, far from it. But I want us to appreciate how Leo has consented to his own deplatforming and how rare this is in a time where dickheads and actual criminals often shirk accountability and coast off of the residual goodwill by preying on our collective isolation and porn addictions.
There's a pattern of those mollifying Shi's actions completely while fully condemning Leo due to their age difference at 17 and 22 respectively when they offended. Honestly? As someone in their 30's anybody that's 25 or younger are all just kids to me. The brain doesn't stop developing until then and victims of abuse (like Leo and Shi are) tend to develop slower mentally. As a victim of abuse myself I can corroborate that in retrospect.
It's also why I can't help but feel bad for him, like me he would have also barely had any control over himself (my abuse was predominantly verbal and physical so I lashed out verbally and physically against others and myself in turn during my early adult years). It's only last year until his brain begin to fully mature at the age of 23-24 did he allegedly stop grooming minors. That he continued work on his game after the hiatus. If his offenses weren't so dire, he may have been poised to make a full recovery and integrated himself into society as a proper adult.
Again I'm not excusing their actions, but I do want to give perspective on how a 22 year old could possibly act far below their maturity for their fully adult brain (they're not fully developed yet and trauma has potentially stunted their growth on top of that).
i only said that bc when i said that hes a gr00mer i got a lot of downvotes so i just tried to say bad person and still got a lot of downvotes i cant-😭
Leo sent some "things" to a minor over texts. The OG post was him admitting to it. But there is some debate that the two of them were of legal age in The Philippines. At least that's what I could gather. I'm still in denial that this happened. Leo was a big inspiration to me.
Is it tho? His country is a little behind on the times, it could actually be legal. I wish the chats could be shared so we had more info. I never trust any internet drama these days, its too easy to accuse someone with no evidence.
"Behind on the times"??? Ugh I hate when Americans do this. Since when did American morality become the standard for the world? Since when did having other cultures become being "behind on the times"? The American AoC is just as arbitrary as countries with lower ages, the human brain fully develops at 25 so until you raise it I don't see how a country having consent laws at 16 is wrong.
Heres a map of age of consent in Europe, America is an outlier even in the developed world. I'll be honest I support a high AoC but thats my individual moral opinion and other people and other cultures are something that I don't have the authority to dictate.
Heres a video from England that will mortify everyone across the pond. Of course a majority said no, but the fact that it was even on the table of debate even shocks me a bit.
Actually it just came to my attention that the US AoC isnt even a federal law! Its up to the states! And most states have lowered it!! So apparently half of America (including New York) is behind on the times but like Tennessee isn't. I always have loved country music.
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Ok, so what is going on exactly!? I read this vn sometime last year then read the reboot earlier this year. I honestly forgot about it for awhile but always waited for a new update. I was randomly scrolling through some of my old comments and saw I posted one on this page as a review for the reboot. I started to read some of the comments that were posted after that and read that the creator is a pedophile!? Bro, could someone tell me if this is real or not and does this mean The Human Heart is finished? Like, just got written off!?
I advise you to look at the comment by “YVIUSALS” right here in the game comments, there are links to documents and other things for you to understand better about this subject.
In short (and that what I understood), Leotheleonel was a groomer who had inappropriate conversations with minors, with nudes and such. He turned himself in after a someone accused him of grooming when he was 16.
When he confessed to his affair, he also confessed that he had done it with other people, including a 14-year-old boy.
Currently, his SFW account has been suspended since May, when he confessed to his crime, but his NSFW account came back more or less 6 months after that case (apparently, he kept his patreon active regardless of his statement).
There's no word on the game at the moment (as far as I know), and it's likely to remain stagnant, without updates or cancellation, as its image has been soiled by all this (but I still hope that the game will be finished).
replaying cause i need escapism tonight 😔
Hoping the creator updates the vn i love the vn so far❤️
p sure creator left bc they're a groomer.
I hope this novel continues somehow?
Do you have a discord link?
grooming is a bad thing but i still really hate how things turned out :( idk if i interpreted it wrong or didn't hear the full story but it seemed like he was trying to leave it in the past? and the whole "oh, this person did a bad thing so they're a bad person forever and can never change" pisses me off
I feel the same way, but that's how the losers on twi- I mean the internet works. All it takes is one...ONE bad thing to make you labeled as a bad person with no signs of redemption. Yes, Grooming is bad...but people can change and repent for their mistakes...BUT NOOOOOOOOO, everyone has to let their idiotic brains tell them other wise...really pathetic. Let people try and change rather than forcing the past on them ffs...Idc if people hate me for saying the truth, I'm just saying. Also yes I did read it
mmm no, grooming is a not only a bad thing, is a HUGE bad thing that change a victims life, I was victim of grooming at young age and is not a situacion of "he change!!!" No. people dont change THIS, damage is done, there is a victim! have some respect for the victim
ALSO, they were MINORS, underage people!!!! this is not a case of grooming to a person of the same age, this were MINORS said by himself in his "apology" a very bad one also.
DON'T PLAY OR DOWNLOAD THIS GAME, IT WAS MADE BY A GROOMER. INTERACTING WITH THIS VN IN ANY WAY ENDORSES LEO'S BEHAVIOR.
What?
IN THE OLD VER I GOT GOOD ENDING WITH RORIK SO PERFECT!1!1!1!1!
IT'S NOT FUCKING HARD TO NOT TALK TO MINORS INAPPROPRIATELY !!
Seriously. Jesus Christ. Why must good games suffer at the hands of such bad fucking human beings ?!
What happen?
I freaking love Dylan. Hope more comes from this story.
wait what controversy? sorry i'm super out of the loop when it comes to this type of stuff.
2-Long story short! FOR WHAT I UNDERSTAND, Leo (the creator )groomed some minors trough chats because he had some similar experiences in his childhood, the one that was out for the public has been acting pretty sexual to adults in purpose when he was a minor, so is probably that we wanted this results (this is for what I understand and read, if I’m wrong in some way, feel free to correct me)
Important links:
SHI(the minor) call out post: https://twitter.com/P1NS_N_NEEDLES/status/1773501038978646527
(Leo responded to it but he deleted the post but here is the PDF of his apology and response:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1PtroKDxnheI8uxARSpWCL_xc6qlK1yh0ZK2OjfKYlq8/edit
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Ks5rPHxG93FEh0tppEPpBG5euHEe69En7IVkY22KyWA/edit#heading=h.1f5g0ydt57qb
Shi's sexual behaviour:
https://twitter.com/LokiBaraHot/status/1773553543963701299
https://twitter.com/Vanillanomas/status/1773701678933397753
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Ks5rPHxG93FEh0tppEPpBG5euHEe69En7IVkY22KyWA/edit
(The last one was written by Leo and then other person)
3-Yeah the Android versions are pretty unstable, is probably gonna take a while until there is a new update so try to use the more stable ones and pin them so they work.
(Again, if someone who knows more about the topic sees that I said something wrong, please correct me in the replies, for more info read the comments made by:https://itch.io/profile/makato123 )
Is it true,that The Human Heart vn is no more? 😥
I'd like to continue the visual novel again I don't know whats stopping from me but something bugging me because of the comments, i really don't know what happened but I'd like to keep supporting this visual novel even if it doesn't get updates
The comments are weird tbh idk whats happening and I don't wanna know because lets just mind our own business, and don't have an authority to hate them for some mistake, we are people too we make mistakes too.
you have a point, we make mistakes too
So you're saying you've made a "mistake" as grave as grooming minors? I understand second chances but that minor doesn't have a second chance at having a normal childhood because someone without morals violated them.
It sickens me that you are so dismissive about Leo grooming minors calling it a "mistake". That is beyond disgraceful and you should be ashamed of yourself. Children were taken advantage of and exploited and their minds have now been forever tainted by this corrupted individual and you could care less. I hope your pillow is cold tonight.
Naw, too much proof that he groomed minors. No thanks.
Hi Mr.Leo
Can I ask your permission to translate your visual novel? I am translating visual novels and would really like to translate your work! ❤️
Mr.Leo,I have something to say to you: you can't stop making 'The Human Heart'. When I download this game,I have never seen the amazing furry characters in my life and I wondered who will be my soul mate. So,I am begging you,in the bottom of my heart,please bring back my favorite vn game in the whole entire world and pretty please,get well soon!
Thank you 🥹
The author of this VN is Filipino?
Yes, and also a groomer
HELP??? could I ask for proof? just interested that is quite the allegations
Here https://x.com/LeoTheLionel/status/1773549458678030571?t=g9tpBizPV9RsBlzmcbQIAw&s=19
holy shit, damn thank for sharing bro. talking to minors is gross af no matter the excuse
rowley can i ask how many vns r u reading saw u allot
30+
This game and story was so good, unfortunately the creator of this Leo isn't working on it anymore as far as I know. He's been active in his Patreon and NSFW account, hopefully he's working on the game.
What is the NSFW account username?
I don't know, sorry.
Is there any guide or something from the old one? I'm stuck at 9 points with some characters plus can we romance the police officer?
I don't know about the points. But I know that you can't romance the officer. He was planned to be datable (Lines of code show he could earn points) But then the game was rebooted.
Hi. I like your game and I was wondering that can you still make it again,please? 🥹
Hello
1 the game was good (even tho I don't follow the updates:/)
2the comments 🙏😭
3 the game crashes on android mostly Samsung I have to pin the app just to play :3
I don't understand the points thingy -w-
Some feedback would be nice :D
Hi
1-Totally agree
2-Long story short! FOR WHAT I UNDERSTAND, Leo (the creator )groomed some minors trough chats because he had some similar experiences in his childhood, the one that was out for the public has been acting pretty sexual to adults in purpose when he was a minor, so is probably that we wanted this results (this is for what I understand and read, if I’m wrong in some way, feel free to correct me)
Important links:
SHI(the minor) call out post: https://twitter.com/P1NS_N_NEEDLES/status/1773501038978646527
(Leo responded to it but he deleted the post but here is the PDF of his apology and response:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1PtroKDxnheI8uxARSpWCL_xc6qlK1yh0ZK2OjfKYlq8/edit
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Ks5rPHxG93FEh0tppEPpBG5euHEe69En7IVkY22KyWA/edit#heading=h.1f5g0ydt57qb
Shi's sexual behaviour:
https://twitter.com/LokiBaraHot/status/1773553543963701299
https://twitter.com/Vanillanomas/status/1773701678933397753
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Ks5rPHxG93FEh0tppEPpBG5euHEe69En7IVkY22KyWA/edit
(The last one was written by Leo and then other person)
3-Yeah the Android versions are pretty unstable, is probably gonna take a while until there is a new update so try to use the more stable ones and pin them so they work.
(Again, if someone who knows more about the topic and sees that I said something wrong, please correct me in the replies, for more info read the comments made by:https://itch.io/profile/makato123 )
Leo is been active in his nsfw account and patreon
such a shame that this will never be finished, i loved the art style the minute i saw it, and to add salt to the wound, i share name with the creator :[
Do you know what happened to LeoTheLionel?
I really worry about him.
yeah... he ended up being exposed for grooming people a couple months ago, but after that i know nothing :[
He has been active on patreon recently.
Will he ever make a new "The Human Heart" someday?
Is he gone or died?
i think he's gone, but i dont know for sure
Will he ever make a new "The Human Heart" someday?
I think he came back with his alt
Well thanks to the thing that happened with the creator the game wont update anytime soon, hope someone makes a renpy/Fan game of itttt
You know, the story with you is funny, at first we disliked you, then we fell in love, huh. It all started in 2021, when my friend and I found various VN, (I won't hide it, I liked the bear in the background and we wanted to download) we adored this game, in 2022 we saw porn with our favorite characters and we were shocked. And then we quickly accepted it. We were constantly visiting you on Twitter and were on the discord server. It's a pity that this game won't get a sequel anymore
Hey. Which characters who can burp the loudest?
What happens to your Twitter and where are you?
I really like your artwork,man. Please,come back. 🥺
I need you and your game too.
Dude, this is literally him...
I talked about his twitter page.
everybody needs a second chance... meaby after a while.... :(
Honestly Really sad about what happend but because im so sad il just leave this here
AW HELL NAW
Honestly, if I had any knowledge of Renpy, or y'know... art. I'd definitely think of trying to remake this myself. Because I do genuinely love the boys in this game.
people knew Leo is groomer after seeing nsfw in discord years ago, now leo didn't make at all and stopped posting twitter in just 2 months ago?!
Well i know how to use Renpy but do we need permission ?
The game aint getting Updated ANYTIME soon 😭
has been 5 months for still no updated in the human heart?!?!?
idk why people are downvoting comments that just say the truth like??😭
I know it might be unlikely, but I really hope he keeps developing this game. I like his characters and art style. I know what happened, I'm not defending any of it, but I just like this game and want a finished product.
Same
gonna make a fanfic for this game out of spite...
I JUST FINISHED THE GAME AND WAS REALLY EXCITED FRO A CONTINUATION AND IT TURNS OUT THE DEV IS A KIDDIE DIDDLER AND IT WON'T BE CONTINUED???????? istg if someone doesn't continue this i'm gonna learn ren'py and do it myself
To be clear he didn't actually touch anybody allegedly, this was all online (still bad, we're talking sending nudes etc).
Basic gist is that Leo (the dev) was isolated as a child, found porn at the age of 11 and joined a bad discord at the age of 15 filled with pedophiles and porn addicts. He would be groomed at the age of 16 by a 20 year old and his boyfriend (sexting, nudes, sexual livestreams) and the rest of the discord group encouraged and normalised the sharing of nudes/sexts between all members, minors and adults.
By 18 he learned of grooming and pedophilia but his brain was so cooked by porn addiction and being groomed himself that he would go onto groom minors himself (for 4 years when he was 18-22), including the person who did the callout (Year 2022, Leo age 22, victim age 16). I'm not going to go into details (basically it escalated once age was established, mutual nudes, livestreaming, mutual r18 artworks).
The two would then eventually drop communication. Victim has neutral feelings, has moved on and hopes Leo can grow from this. Leo hid his actions from everyone as he didn't want it to define his character. He seems pretty open to taking responsibility (he has admitted to 6 victims ranging from ages 14-19 but hasn't revealed their identities; this is fine imo, respect their anonymity and agency to pursue whatever path they want.)
In addition Leo has allegedly purged his discord of channels (and therefore chatlogs) which is also fine imo. His wrongdoings have already been brought to light and his reputation tarnished. His power over others was his clout as a creator and NOT him physically abusing others. I wouldn't want someone who was also a victim of grooming and who is still young himself to go to prison which could ruin his life even further than it already had been when he himself was groomed himself as a minor.
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I hope the takeaway here isn't simply to throw people under the bus when they become inconvenient and call it a day. It's to have a wider conversation on the glorification of pornography in the furry, especially when there's minors whose developing minds are exposed to harmful ideas about consent and sexuality that leaves them vulnerable to predators.
If we are to prevent future victims of grooming or give them a place of refuge, we have to build community. If we are to fight back against perpetrators who refuse to take accountability for their actions or who contribute to the production, distribution or consumption of CSAM, we have to be organised.
The victims of grooming here were isolated and vulnerable and who took any community they could find. To beat the false warmth of love-bombing we can't just be cold and callous to others from the sidelines. We need to approach this with real warmth, with empathy towards even Leo as he's only part of the cyclical perpetuation of groomers.
And we need to have a firm stance on what is and isn't acceptable so we don't spend time arguing in circles. How to include minors (if even at all) and how to deal with creators forced into leadership positions by their followers who both refuse to take responsibility for the power dynamic this creates, where individuals are suddenly responsible for the morality of hundreds if not thousands of strangers. What qualifies as kink that adults can fully communicate and consent to and what takes advantage of those who lack the capacity or agency to meaningfully consent.
I hope I'm not coming across as forgiving of Leo, far from it. But I want us to appreciate how Leo has consented to his own deplatforming and how rare this is in a time where dickheads and actual criminals often shirk accountability and coast off of the residual goodwill by preying on our collective isolation and porn addictions.
God the furry community can be dumb and awful.
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Original callout post: https://twitter.com/P1NS_N_NEEDLES/status/1773501038978646527
Reply tweet by Leo (locked so I'll link the pdfs within): https://twitter.com/LeoTheLionel/status/1773549458678030571
Leo's confession: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1PtroKDxnheI8uxARSpWCL_xc6qlK1yh0ZK2OjfKYlq8/...
Leo's response to the callout post: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Ks5rPHxG93FEh0tppEPpBG5euHEe69En7IVkY22KyWA/...
Update: found some more stuff about how Shi (the one who sent the callout post) was yet another groomer in the perpetual chain.
Tweet calling out how Shi tried to send nudes to them: https://twitter.com/LokiBaraHot/status/1773553543963701299
Follow up tweet by another one of Shi's victims: https://twitter.com/Vanillanomas/status/1773701678933397753
This corroborates with Leo's response to Shi (starts with a short opener by Leo, then one of Shi's exes/victims takes over for the rest of it): https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Ks5rPHxG93FEh0tppEPpBG5euHEe69En7IVkY22KyWA/...
There's a pattern of those mollifying Shi's actions completely while fully condemning Leo due to their age difference at 17 and 22 respectively when they offended. Honestly? As someone in their 30's anybody that's 25 or younger are all just kids to me. The brain doesn't stop developing until then and victims of abuse (like Leo and Shi are) tend to develop slower mentally. As a victim of abuse myself I can corroborate that in retrospect.
It's also why I can't help but feel bad for him, like me he would have also barely had any control over himself (my abuse was predominantly verbal and physical so I lashed out verbally and physically against others and myself in turn during my early adult years). It's only last year until his brain begin to fully mature at the age of 23-24 did he allegedly stop grooming minors. That he continued work on his game after the hiatus. If his offenses weren't so dire, he may have been poised to make a full recovery and integrated himself into society as a proper adult.
Again I'm not excusing their actions, but I do want to give perspective on how a 22 year old could possibly act far below their maturity for their fully adult brain (they're not fully developed yet and trauma has potentially stunted their growth on top of that).
Brief article on the science on trauma: https://www.multiplyingconnections.org/science-behind-trauma
why there always be drama in a good games... i don't wanna sided with the 2.. but just why ...
What happened?
creator is a bad person if that's what you mean
edit wth did i get -5 yall i just told u the truth😭
What do you mean by "bad person" though
he groomed smb, idrk tho so u should do your own research on him
i only said that bc when i said that hes a gr00mer i got a lot of downvotes so i just tried to say bad person and still got a lot of downvotes i cant-😭
DAMN IT I REALLY LIKED THIS GAME TOO :/
fr I loved this game so much too😭
i think its best that everyone should know about this.....https://x.com/LeoTheLionel/status/1773549458678030571?s=20
The post got deleted/is unavailable, could you do a TLDR please?
Leo sent some "things" to a minor over texts. The OG post was him admitting to it. But there is some debate that the two of them were of legal age in The Philippines. At least that's what I could gather. I'm still in denial that this happened. Leo was a big inspiration to me.
The victims weren't also from the Philippines, which means their own AoC laws would apply. But even then it's still extremely suspect.
Ah, I see.
Leo admitted to grooming multiple children as young as 14.
He ended up deleting every channel in his discord server, potentially deleting any evidence against him, and deleting himself from social media.
The story so far is really good, I hope we'll get a continuation soon <3
Is it tho? His country is a little behind on the times, it could actually be legal. I wish the chats could be shared so we had more info. I never trust any internet drama these days, its too easy to accuse someone with no evidence.
just went through the drama, the other guy kept saying hes legal hes legal. like dude, youre not as innocent in this
"Behind on the times"??? Ugh I hate when Americans do this. Since when did American morality become the standard for the world? Since when did having other cultures become being "behind on the times"? The American AoC is just as arbitrary as countries with lower ages, the human brain fully develops at 25 so until you raise it I don't see how a country having consent laws at 16 is wrong.
Heres a map of age of consent in Europe, America is an outlier even in the developed world. I'll be honest I support a high AoC but thats my individual moral opinion and other people and other cultures are something that I don't have the authority to dictate.
Heres a video from England that will mortify everyone across the pond. Of course a majority said no, but the fact that it was even on the table of debate even shocks me a bit.
Actually it just came to my attention that the US AoC isnt even a federal law! Its up to the states! And most states have lowered it!! So apparently half of America (including New York) is behind on the times but like Tennessee isn't. I always have loved country music.
dude you said "i hope it will be continued" i said "artist is bad person he's not on the internet anymore" and you got mad??
sorry for bringing up drama i just had to tell that there will be no continuation
I guess we will never know...
Edit: woho that's too much drama around here