I'd like to continue the visual novel again I don't know whats stopping from me but something bugging me because of the comments, i really don't know what happened but I'd like to keep supporting this visual novel even if it doesn't get updates
The comments are weird tbh idk whats happening and I don't wanna know because lets just mind our own business, and don't have an authority to hate them for some mistake, we are people too we make mistakes too.
So you're saying you've made a "mistake" as grave as grooming minors? I understand second chances but that minor doesn't have a second chance at having a normal childhood because someone without morals violated them.
I completely understand where you're coming from. It’s heartbreaking to think about the impact such actions have on a child's life. They deserve a safe and happy childhood, and it’s crucial that we focus on supporting victims and preventing these situations in the future. What do you think are some effective ways we can raise awareness and protect children??
And like i said i don't know what happened and i don't want to know what happened.
It sickens me that you are so dismissive about Leo grooming minors calling it a "mistake". That is beyond disgraceful and you should be ashamed of yourself. Children were taken advantage of and exploited and their minds have now been forever tainted by this corrupted individual and you could care less. I hope your pillow is cold tonight.
I appreciate your concern, but I believe it's important to focus on the bigger picture. My intention is to foster understanding and encourage constructive conversations about sensitive issues. By discussing solutions and raising awareness, we can make a positive impact. It's crucial to engage in dialogue that not only acknowledges the seriousness of the topic but also seeks ways to support those affected and prevent future occurrences.
I completely understand your anger and frustration; this situation is incredibly serious and shouldn't be taken lightly. It's heartbreaking to think about the impact on the victims, and they deserve all the support and justice possible. I genuinely believe we should focus on how to protect children and ensure that those who exploit them are held accountable. Thank you for sharing your feelings
Like I said, I don't know what happened, but I understand that this situation is deeply troubling and affects many people. It's crucial to prioritize the voices of the victims and ensure they receive the support they need.
Like I said, I don't know what happened, but I have to disagree with how you're framing this. I think it's important to approach these situations with a focus on understanding and healing rather than just anger. While I completely acknowledge the seriousness of the issue, I believe we should also look at how we can support the victims and prevent future harm.
Like I said, I don't know what happened, but I have to disagree with how you're framing this. While I understand your anger and the need for accountability, I believe it's also essential to focus on healing and support for the victims. It's a complex situation that requires us to look at the broader context and work towards prevention and education.
We need to create a dialogue that not only addresses the wrongdoing but also promotes awareness and protection for vulnerable individuals. It's crucial to ensure that everyone involved gets the help they need, and that we learn from these situations to prevent them in the future.
LIKe I said, I don't know what happened, but I have to disagree with you. It’s important to remember that jumping to conclusions without all the facts can lead to misunderstandings. Instead of focusing solely on blame, we should be discussing how to prevent similar situations in the future. It’s crucial to foster a culture of accountability while also emphasizing education and support. We need to ask ourselves what systemic changes can be made to protect those who are vulnerable.
I see your point, but I have to disagree! It’s really important to look at the facts and not just jump to conclusions. Blaming without understanding the whole picture doesn’t really help anyone, right? We should focus on finding solutions and supporting those affected instead of just pointing fingers.
Does my comment really bothers you and have to say does mean things to me just by a comment, and an personal issue about a person that I don't even know and I don't want to know, are you going to be happy if my pillow will be cold tonight? How mean you are, and you didn't even think that im defending that person, while my comment has pure intentions and just to let me agree with you? You don't even know me yet and your starting to judge me and say does mean things to me. I'll pray for you that no evil shall allow to come to you and will never ever say does mean things again.
Mr.Leo,I have something to say to you: you can't stop making 'The Human Heart'. When I download this game,I have never seen the amazing furry characters in my life and I wondered who will be my soul mate. So,I am begging you,in the bottom of my heart,please bring back my favorite vn game in the whole entire world and pretty please,get well soon!
This game and story was so good, unfortunately the creator of this Leo isn't working on it anymore as far as I know. He's been active in his Patreon and NSFW account, hopefully he's working on the game.
I don't know about the points. But I know that you can't romance the officer. He was planned to be datable (Lines of code show he could earn points) But then the game was rebooted.
2-Long story short! FOR WHAT I UNDERSTAND, Leo (the creator )groomed some minors trough chats because he had some similar experiences in his childhood, the one that was out for the public has been acting pretty sexual to adults in purpose when he was a minor, so is probably that we wanted this results (this is for what I understand and read, if I’m wrong in some way, feel free to correct me)
(The last one was written by Leo and then other person)
3-Yeah the Android versions are pretty unstable, is probably gonna take a while until there is a new update so try to use the more stable ones and pin them so they work.
(Again, if someone who knows more about the topic and sees that I said something wrong, please correct me in the replies, for more info read the comments made by:https://itch.io/profile/makato123 )
such a shame that this will never be finished, i loved the art style the minute i saw it, and to add salt to the wound, i share name with the creator :[
You know, the story with you is funny, at first we disliked you, then we fell in love, huh. It all started in 2021, when my friend and I found various VN, (I won't hide it, I liked the bear in the background and we wanted to download) we adored this game, in 2022 we saw porn with our favorite characters and we were shocked. And then we quickly accepted it. We were constantly visiting you on Twitter and were on the discord server. It's a pity that this game won't get a sequel anymore
Honestly, if I had any knowledge of Renpy, or y'know... art. I'd definitely think of trying to remake this myself. Because I do genuinely love the boys in this game.
I know it might be unlikely, but I really hope he keeps developing this game. I like his characters and art style. I know what happened, I'm not defending any of it, but I just like this game and want a finished product.
I JUST FINISHED THE GAME AND WAS REALLY EXCITED FRO A CONTINUATION AND IT TURNS OUT THE DEV IS A KIDDIE DIDDLER AND IT WON'T BE CONTINUED???????? istg if someone doesn't continue this i'm gonna learn ren'py and do it myself
To be clear he didn't actually touch anybody allegedly, this was all online (still bad, we're talking sending nudes etc).
Basic gist is that Leo (the dev) was isolated as a child, found porn at the age of 11 and joined a bad discord at the age of 15 filled with pedophiles and porn addicts. He would be groomed at the age of 16 by a 20 year old and his boyfriend (sexting, nudes, sexual livestreams) and the rest of the discord group encouraged and normalised the sharing of nudes/sexts between all members, minors and adults.
By 18 he learned of grooming and pedophilia but his brain was so cooked by porn addiction and being groomed himself that he would go onto groom minors himself (for 4 years when he was 18-22), including the person who did the callout (Year 2022, Leo age 22, victim age 16). I'm not going to go into details (basically it escalated once age was established, mutual nudes, livestreaming, mutual r18 artworks).
The two would then eventually drop communication. Victim has neutral feelings, has moved on and hopes Leo can grow from this. Leo hid his actions from everyone as he didn't want it to define his character. He seems pretty open to taking responsibility (he has admitted to 6 victims ranging from ages 14-19 but hasn't revealed their identities; this is fine imo, respect their anonymity and agency to pursue whatever path they want.)
In addition Leo has allegedly purged his discord of channels (and therefore chatlogs) which is also fine imo. His wrongdoings have already been brought to light and his reputation tarnished. His power over others was his clout as a creator and NOT him physically abusing others. I wouldn't want someone who was also a victim of grooming and who is still young himself to go to prison which could ruin his life even further than it already had been when he himself was groomed himself as a minor.
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I hope the takeaway here isn't simply to throw people under the bus when they become inconvenient and call it a day. It's to have a wider conversation on the glorification of pornography in the furry, especially when there's minors whose developing minds are exposed to harmful ideas about consent and sexuality that leaves them vulnerable to predators.
If we are to prevent future victims of grooming or give them a place of refuge, we have to build community. If we are to fight back against perpetrators who refuse to take accountability for their actions or who contribute to the production, distribution or consumption of CSAM, we have to be organised.
The victims of grooming here were isolated and vulnerable and who took any community they could find. To beat the false warmth of love-bombing we can't just be cold and callous to others from the sidelines. We need to approach this with real warmth, with empathy towards even Leo as he's only part of the cyclical perpetuation of groomers.
And we need to have a firm stance on what is and isn't acceptable so we don't spend time arguing in circles. How to include minors (if even at all) and how to deal with creators forced into leadership positions by their followers who both refuse to take responsibility for the power dynamic this creates, where individuals are suddenly responsible for the morality of hundreds if not thousands of strangers. What qualifies as kink that adults can fully communicate and consent to and what takes advantage of those who lack the capacity or agency to meaningfully consent.
I hope I'm not coming across as forgiving of Leo, far from it. But I want us to appreciate how Leo has consented to his own deplatforming and how rare this is in a time where dickheads and actual criminals often shirk accountability and coast off of the residual goodwill by preying on our collective isolation and porn addictions.
There's a pattern of those mollifying Shi's actions completely while fully condemning Leo due to their age difference at 17 and 22 respectively when they offended. Honestly? As someone in their 30's anybody that's 25 or younger are all just kids to me. The brain doesn't stop developing until then and victims of abuse (like Leo and Shi are) tend to develop slower mentally. As a victim of abuse myself I can corroborate that in retrospect.
It's also why I can't help but feel bad for him, like me he would have also barely had any control over himself (my abuse was predominantly verbal and physical so I lashed out verbally and physically against others and myself in turn during my early adult years). It's only last year until his brain begin to fully mature at the age of 23-24 did he allegedly stop grooming minors. That he continued work on his game after the hiatus. If his offenses weren't so dire, he may have been poised to make a full recovery and integrated himself into society as a proper adult.
Again I'm not excusing their actions, but I do want to give perspective on how a 22 year old could possibly act far below their maturity for their fully adult brain (they're not fully developed yet and trauma has potentially stunted their growth on top of that).
i only said that bc when i said that hes a gr00mer i got a lot of downvotes so i just tried to say bad person and still got a lot of downvotes i cant-😭
Leo sent some "things" to a minor over texts. The OG post was him admitting to it. But there is some debate that the two of them were of legal age in The Philippines. At least that's what I could gather. I'm still in denial that this happened. Leo was a big inspiration to me.
Is it tho? His country is a little behind on the times, it could actually be legal. I wish the chats could be shared so we had more info. I never trust any internet drama these days, its too easy to accuse someone with no evidence.
"Behind on the times"??? Ugh I hate when Americans do this. Since when did American morality become the standard for the world? Since when did having other cultures become being "behind on the times"? The American AoC is just as arbitrary as countries with lower ages, the human brain fully develops at 25 so until you raise it I don't see how a country having consent laws at 16 is wrong.
Heres a map of age of consent in Europe, America is an outlier even in the developed world. I'll be honest I support a high AoC but thats my individual moral opinion and other people and other cultures are something that I don't have the authority to dictate.
Heres a video from England that will mortify everyone across the pond. Of course a majority said no, but the fact that it was even on the table of debate even shocks me a bit.
Actually it just came to my attention that the US AoC isnt even a federal law! Its up to the states! And most states have lowered it!! So apparently half of America (including New York) is behind on the times but like Tennessee isn't. I always have loved country music.
The game was great. I kinda like Cade, Dylan and Tyler. I like mostly Cade, because he gives the best hugs and kind cute to see his puppy looking eyes. The story was great and funny. I hope the game will be continued soon😊.
just played both, really like both game, and played with points with Ace and realized how bad I acted with one of my fav characters lol.... I am just waiting to play the continuation of the new version which seemed much more improved
The only part i liked about the original story is that you unalive yourself by jumping out the window since...why not? It's funny just waking up and seeing furries before getting 'you died lol' screen
Really loved the original story and the reboot is really good to. I think Tyler benefited the most from the redesign. They did Sidney wrong tho, my boy went from a bit anti-social to straight depressed. And they did Lars dirty, he used to be a quirky person but now he's actin like a... I don't think there's anyway to put it lightly.
I love the reboot so much, honestly I didn't like Lars that much in the original, but in the new version he's so entertaining lol I'm looking forward to the next update since I'm starving for Ace content
You choose male it still gay add choice and it will be bisexual (or everyone) i don't care if it will have neutral pronouns like Under The Bridge at least it will have choice even for straight people,if is a SFW visual novel there will be only CGs with people kissing like Under The Bridge!Also i hate bara things but this one has a very fine art style and cute characters!
It's a gay focused game. There is nothing wrong with this. Just like there is nothing wrong with straight, bi, lesbian or pan. It's ok to make female or male focused games, it's also ok to make trans focused games. What's not ok is to try to make the creator deviate and make their creation what you think it should be.
It's a miracle. It truly is. Glad you're back Leo!
And Lars is the most dangerous character that I have ever seen in a VN. Everytime he looks at me I just feel my heart wanna leap out of my chest and his damn cheeky ass smile is burned into my head that my spine always tingles in sensation that I might be falling in love with him... If Lars is confirmed as a top then I will go FUCKING FERAL AS LARS FIT MY "WHORE OUT" CHECKMARKS OH MY FUCKING GODS.
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Is it true,that The Human Heart vn is no more? 😥
I'd like to continue the visual novel again I don't know whats stopping from me but something bugging me because of the comments, i really don't know what happened but I'd like to keep supporting this visual novel even if it doesn't get updates
The comments are weird tbh idk whats happening and I don't wanna know because lets just mind our own business, and don't have an authority to hate them for some mistake, we are people too we make mistakes too.
you have a point, we make mistakes too
So you're saying you've made a "mistake" as grave as grooming minors? I understand second chances but that minor doesn't have a second chance at having a normal childhood because someone without morals violated them.
I completely understand where you're coming from. It’s heartbreaking to think about the impact such actions have on a child's life. They deserve a safe and happy childhood, and it’s crucial that we focus on supporting victims and preventing these situations in the future. What do you think are some effective ways we can raise awareness and protect children??
And like i said i don't know what happened and i don't want to know what happened.
It sickens me that you are so dismissive about Leo grooming minors calling it a "mistake". That is beyond disgraceful and you should be ashamed of yourself. Children were taken advantage of and exploited and their minds have now been forever tainted by this corrupted individual and you could care less. I hope your pillow is cold tonight.
I appreciate your concern, but I believe it's important to focus on the bigger picture. My intention is to foster understanding and encourage constructive conversations about sensitive issues. By discussing solutions and raising awareness, we can make a positive impact. It's crucial to engage in dialogue that not only acknowledges the seriousness of the topic but also seeks ways to support those affected and prevent future occurrences.
I completely understand your anger and frustration; this situation is incredibly serious and shouldn't be taken lightly. It's heartbreaking to think about the impact on the victims, and they deserve all the support and justice possible. I genuinely believe we should focus on how to protect children and ensure that those who exploit them are held accountable. Thank you for sharing your feelings
Like I said, I don't know what happened, but I understand that this situation is deeply troubling and affects many people. It's crucial to prioritize the voices of the victims and ensure they receive the support they need.
Like I said, I don't know what happened, but I have to disagree with how you're framing this. I think it's important to approach these situations with a focus on understanding and healing rather than just anger. While I completely acknowledge the seriousness of the issue, I believe we should also look at how we can support the victims and prevent future harm.
Like I said, I don't know what happened, but I have to disagree with how you're framing this. While I understand your anger and the need for accountability, I believe it's also essential to focus on healing and support for the victims. It's a complex situation that requires us to look at the broader context and work towards prevention and education.
We need to create a dialogue that not only addresses the wrongdoing but also promotes awareness and protection for vulnerable individuals. It's crucial to ensure that everyone involved gets the help they need, and that we learn from these situations to prevent them in the future.
LIKe I said, I don't know what happened, but I have to disagree with you. It’s important to remember that jumping to conclusions without all the facts can lead to misunderstandings. Instead of focusing solely on blame, we should be discussing how to prevent similar situations in the future. It’s crucial to foster a culture of accountability while also emphasizing education and support. We need to ask ourselves what systemic changes can be made to protect those who are vulnerable.
I see your point, but I have to disagree! It’s really important to look at the facts and not just jump to conclusions. Blaming without understanding the whole picture doesn’t really help anyone, right? We should focus on finding solutions and supporting those affected instead of just pointing fingers.
Does my comment really bothers you and have to say does mean things to me just by a comment, and an personal issue about a person that I don't even know and I don't want to know, are you going to be happy if my pillow will be cold tonight? How mean you are, and you didn't even think that im defending that person, while my comment has pure intentions and just to let me agree with you? You don't even know me yet and your starting to judge me and say does mean things to me. I'll pray for you that no evil shall allow to come to you and will never ever say does mean things again.
Naw, too much proof that he groomed minors. No thanks.
Hi Mr.Leo
Can I ask your permission to translate your visual novel? I am translating visual novels and would really like to translate your work! ❤️
Mr.Leo,I have something to say to you: you can't stop making 'The Human Heart'. When I download this game,I have never seen the amazing furry characters in my life and I wondered who will be my soul mate. So,I am begging you,in the bottom of my heart,please bring back my favorite vn game in the whole entire world and pretty please,get well soon!
Thank you 🥹
The author of this VN is Filipino?
Yes, and also a groomer
HELP??? could I ask for proof? just interested that is quite the allegations
Here https://x.com/LeoTheLionel/status/1773549458678030571?t=g9tpBizPV9RsBlzmcbQIAw&s=19
holy shit, damn thank for sharing bro. talking to minors is gross af no matter the excuse
rowley can i ask how many vns r u reading saw u allot
30+
This game and story was so good, unfortunately the creator of this Leo isn't working on it anymore as far as I know. He's been active in his Patreon and NSFW account, hopefully he's working on the game.
What is the NSFW account username?
I don't know, sorry.
Is there any guide or something from the old one? I'm stuck at 9 points with some characters plus can we romance the police officer?
I don't know about the points. But I know that you can't romance the officer. He was planned to be datable (Lines of code show he could earn points) But then the game was rebooted.
Hi. I like your game and I was wondering that can you still make it again,please? 🥹
Hello
1 the game was good (even tho I don't follow the updates:/)
2the comments 🙏😭
3 the game crashes on android mostly Samsung I have to pin the app just to play :3
I don't understand the points thingy -w-
Some feedback would be nice :D
Hi
1-Totally agree
2-Long story short! FOR WHAT I UNDERSTAND, Leo (the creator )groomed some minors trough chats because he had some similar experiences in his childhood, the one that was out for the public has been acting pretty sexual to adults in purpose when he was a minor, so is probably that we wanted this results (this is for what I understand and read, if I’m wrong in some way, feel free to correct me)
Important links:
SHI(the minor) call out post: https://twitter.com/P1NS_N_NEEDLES/status/1773501038978646527
(Leo responded to it but he deleted the post but here is the PDF of his apology and response:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1PtroKDxnheI8uxARSpWCL_xc6qlK1yh0ZK2OjfKYlq8/edit
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Ks5rPHxG93FEh0tppEPpBG5euHEe69En7IVkY22KyWA/edit#heading=h.1f5g0ydt57qb
Shi's sexual behaviour:
https://twitter.com/LokiBaraHot/status/1773553543963701299
https://twitter.com/Vanillanomas/status/1773701678933397753
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Ks5rPHxG93FEh0tppEPpBG5euHEe69En7IVkY22KyWA/edit
(The last one was written by Leo and then other person)
3-Yeah the Android versions are pretty unstable, is probably gonna take a while until there is a new update so try to use the more stable ones and pin them so they work.
(Again, if someone who knows more about the topic and sees that I said something wrong, please correct me in the replies, for more info read the comments made by:https://itch.io/profile/makato123 )
Leo is been active in his nsfw account and patreon
such a shame that this will never be finished, i loved the art style the minute i saw it, and to add salt to the wound, i share name with the creator :[
Do you know what happened to LeoTheLionel?
I really worry about him.
yeah... he ended up being exposed for grooming people a couple months ago, but after that i know nothing :[
He has been active on patreon recently.
Will he ever make a new "The Human Heart" someday?
Is he gone or died?
i think he's gone, but i dont know for sure
Will he ever make a new "The Human Heart" someday?
I think he came back with his alt
Well thanks to the thing that happened with the creator the game wont update anytime soon, hope someone makes a renpy/Fan game of itttt
You know, the story with you is funny, at first we disliked you, then we fell in love, huh. It all started in 2021, when my friend and I found various VN, (I won't hide it, I liked the bear in the background and we wanted to download) we adored this game, in 2022 we saw porn with our favorite characters and we were shocked. And then we quickly accepted it. We were constantly visiting you on Twitter and were on the discord server. It's a pity that this game won't get a sequel anymore
Hey. Which characters who can burp the loudest?
What happens to your Twitter and where are you?
I really like your artwork,man. Please,come back. 🥺
I need you and your game too.
Dude, this is literally him...
I talked about his twitter page.
everybody needs a second chance... meaby after a while.... :(
Honestly Really sad about what happend but because im so sad il just leave this here
AW HELL NAW
Honestly, if I had any knowledge of Renpy, or y'know... art. I'd definitely think of trying to remake this myself. Because I do genuinely love the boys in this game.
people knew Leo is groomer after seeing nsfw in discord years ago, now leo didn't make at all and stopped posting twitter in just 2 months ago?!
Well i know how to use Renpy but do we need permission ?
The game aint getting Updated ANYTIME soon 😭
has been 5 months for still no updated in the human heart?!?!?
idk why people are downvoting comments that just say the truth like??😭
I know it might be unlikely, but I really hope he keeps developing this game. I like his characters and art style. I know what happened, I'm not defending any of it, but I just like this game and want a finished product.
Same
gonna make a fanfic for this game out of spite...
I JUST FINISHED THE GAME AND WAS REALLY EXCITED FRO A CONTINUATION AND IT TURNS OUT THE DEV IS A KIDDIE DIDDLER AND IT WON'T BE CONTINUED???????? istg if someone doesn't continue this i'm gonna learn ren'py and do it myself
To be clear he didn't actually touch anybody allegedly, this was all online (still bad, we're talking sending nudes etc).
Basic gist is that Leo (the dev) was isolated as a child, found porn at the age of 11 and joined a bad discord at the age of 15 filled with pedophiles and porn addicts. He would be groomed at the age of 16 by a 20 year old and his boyfriend (sexting, nudes, sexual livestreams) and the rest of the discord group encouraged and normalised the sharing of nudes/sexts between all members, minors and adults.
By 18 he learned of grooming and pedophilia but his brain was so cooked by porn addiction and being groomed himself that he would go onto groom minors himself (for 4 years when he was 18-22), including the person who did the callout (Year 2022, Leo age 22, victim age 16). I'm not going to go into details (basically it escalated once age was established, mutual nudes, livestreaming, mutual r18 artworks).
The two would then eventually drop communication. Victim has neutral feelings, has moved on and hopes Leo can grow from this. Leo hid his actions from everyone as he didn't want it to define his character. He seems pretty open to taking responsibility (he has admitted to 6 victims ranging from ages 14-19 but hasn't revealed their identities; this is fine imo, respect their anonymity and agency to pursue whatever path they want.)
In addition Leo has allegedly purged his discord of channels (and therefore chatlogs) which is also fine imo. His wrongdoings have already been brought to light and his reputation tarnished. His power over others was his clout as a creator and NOT him physically abusing others. I wouldn't want someone who was also a victim of grooming and who is still young himself to go to prison which could ruin his life even further than it already had been when he himself was groomed himself as a minor.
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I hope the takeaway here isn't simply to throw people under the bus when they become inconvenient and call it a day. It's to have a wider conversation on the glorification of pornography in the furry, especially when there's minors whose developing minds are exposed to harmful ideas about consent and sexuality that leaves them vulnerable to predators.
If we are to prevent future victims of grooming or give them a place of refuge, we have to build community. If we are to fight back against perpetrators who refuse to take accountability for their actions or who contribute to the production, distribution or consumption of CSAM, we have to be organised.
The victims of grooming here were isolated and vulnerable and who took any community they could find. To beat the false warmth of love-bombing we can't just be cold and callous to others from the sidelines. We need to approach this with real warmth, with empathy towards even Leo as he's only part of the cyclical perpetuation of groomers.
And we need to have a firm stance on what is and isn't acceptable so we don't spend time arguing in circles. How to include minors (if even at all) and how to deal with creators forced into leadership positions by their followers who both refuse to take responsibility for the power dynamic this creates, where individuals are suddenly responsible for the morality of hundreds if not thousands of strangers. What qualifies as kink that adults can fully communicate and consent to and what takes advantage of those who lack the capacity or agency to meaningfully consent.
I hope I'm not coming across as forgiving of Leo, far from it. But I want us to appreciate how Leo has consented to his own deplatforming and how rare this is in a time where dickheads and actual criminals often shirk accountability and coast off of the residual goodwill by preying on our collective isolation and porn addictions.
God the furry community can be dumb and awful.
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Original callout post: https://twitter.com/P1NS_N_NEEDLES/status/1773501038978646527
Reply tweet by Leo (locked so I'll link the pdfs within): https://twitter.com/LeoTheLionel/status/1773549458678030571
Leo's confession: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1PtroKDxnheI8uxARSpWCL_xc6qlK1yh0ZK2OjfKYlq8/...
Leo's response to the callout post: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Ks5rPHxG93FEh0tppEPpBG5euHEe69En7IVkY22KyWA/...
Update: found some more stuff about how Shi (the one who sent the callout post) was yet another groomer in the perpetual chain.
Tweet calling out how Shi tried to send nudes to them: https://twitter.com/LokiBaraHot/status/1773553543963701299
Follow up tweet by another one of Shi's victims: https://twitter.com/Vanillanomas/status/1773701678933397753
This corroborates with Leo's response to Shi (starts with a short opener by Leo, then one of Shi's exes/victims takes over for the rest of it): https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Ks5rPHxG93FEh0tppEPpBG5euHEe69En7IVkY22KyWA/...
There's a pattern of those mollifying Shi's actions completely while fully condemning Leo due to their age difference at 17 and 22 respectively when they offended. Honestly? As someone in their 30's anybody that's 25 or younger are all just kids to me. The brain doesn't stop developing until then and victims of abuse (like Leo and Shi are) tend to develop slower mentally. As a victim of abuse myself I can corroborate that in retrospect.
It's also why I can't help but feel bad for him, like me he would have also barely had any control over himself (my abuse was predominantly verbal and physical so I lashed out verbally and physically against others and myself in turn during my early adult years). It's only last year until his brain begin to fully mature at the age of 23-24 did he allegedly stop grooming minors. That he continued work on his game after the hiatus. If his offenses weren't so dire, he may have been poised to make a full recovery and integrated himself into society as a proper adult.
Again I'm not excusing their actions, but I do want to give perspective on how a 22 year old could possibly act far below their maturity for their fully adult brain (they're not fully developed yet and trauma has potentially stunted their growth on top of that).
Brief article on the science on trauma: https://www.multiplyingconnections.org/science-behind-trauma
why there always be drama in a good games... i don't wanna sided with the 2.. but just why ...
What happened?
creator is a bad person if that's what you mean
edit wth did i get -5 yall i just told u the truth😭
What do you mean by "bad person" though
he groomed smb, idrk tho so u should do your own research on him
i only said that bc when i said that hes a gr00mer i got a lot of downvotes so i just tried to say bad person and still got a lot of downvotes i cant-😭
DAMN IT I REALLY LIKED THIS GAME TOO :/
fr I loved this game so much too😭
i think its best that everyone should know about this.....https://x.com/LeoTheLionel/status/1773549458678030571?s=20
The post got deleted/is unavailable, could you do a TLDR please?
Leo sent some "things" to a minor over texts. The OG post was him admitting to it. But there is some debate that the two of them were of legal age in The Philippines. At least that's what I could gather. I'm still in denial that this happened. Leo was a big inspiration to me.
The victims weren't also from the Philippines, which means their own AoC laws would apply. But even then it's still extremely suspect.
Ah, I see.
Leo admitted to grooming multiple children as young as 14.
He ended up deleting every channel in his discord server, potentially deleting any evidence against him, and deleting himself from social media.
The story so far is really good, I hope we'll get a continuation soon <3
Is it tho? His country is a little behind on the times, it could actually be legal. I wish the chats could be shared so we had more info. I never trust any internet drama these days, its too easy to accuse someone with no evidence.
just went through the drama, the other guy kept saying hes legal hes legal. like dude, youre not as innocent in this
"Behind on the times"??? Ugh I hate when Americans do this. Since when did American morality become the standard for the world? Since when did having other cultures become being "behind on the times"? The American AoC is just as arbitrary as countries with lower ages, the human brain fully develops at 25 so until you raise it I don't see how a country having consent laws at 16 is wrong.
Heres a map of age of consent in Europe, America is an outlier even in the developed world. I'll be honest I support a high AoC but thats my individual moral opinion and other people and other cultures are something that I don't have the authority to dictate.
Heres a video from England that will mortify everyone across the pond. Of course a majority said no, but the fact that it was even on the table of debate even shocks me a bit.
Actually it just came to my attention that the US AoC isnt even a federal law! Its up to the states! And most states have lowered it!! So apparently half of America (including New York) is behind on the times but like Tennessee isn't. I always have loved country music.
dude you said "i hope it will be continued" i said "artist is bad person he's not on the internet anymore" and you got mad??
sorry for bringing up drama i just had to tell that there will be no continuation
I guess we will never know...
Edit: woho that's too much drama around here
Such wasted potential...
The game was great. I kinda like Cade, Dylan and Tyler. I like mostly Cade, because he gives the best hugs and kind cute to see his puppy looking eyes. The story was great and funny. I hope the game will be continued soon😊.
What a shame.
damn shame :(
I'm kinda glad I'm not really a part of this furry fandom to be honest. Wouldn't want that to happen to me
just played both, really like both game, and played with points with Ace and realized how bad I acted with one of my fav characters lol.... I am just waiting to play the continuation of the new version which seemed much more improved
The only part i liked about the original story is that you unalive yourself by jumping out the window since...why not? It's funny just waking up and seeing furries before getting 'you died lol' screen
Really loved the original story and the reboot is really good to. I think Tyler benefited the most from the redesign. They did Sidney wrong tho, my boy went from a bit anti-social to straight depressed. And they did Lars dirty, he used to be a quirky person but now he's actin like a... I don't think there's anyway to put it lightly.
Yes,unless the creator wants the game to become slowly NSFW it makes no sense Lars change even to his body!
Finally an update i have been waiting.
I love the reboot so much, honestly I didn't like Lars that much in the original, but in the new version he's so entertaining lol I'm looking forward to the next update since I'm starving for Ace content
Keep the good work! <3
Update request:
- Please add gender choice ((Male, Female, etc...))
There's a reason it has the gay and bara tags.
You choose male it still gay add choice and it will be bisexual (or everyone) i don't care if it will have neutral pronouns like Under The Bridge at least it will have choice even for straight people,if is a SFW visual novel there will be only CGs with people kissing like Under The Bridge!Also i hate bara things but this one has a very fine art style and cute characters!
It is clear that most of furry community hate gender equality
It's a gay focused game. There is nothing wrong with this. Just like there is nothing wrong with straight, bi, lesbian or pan. It's ok to make female or male focused games, it's also ok to make trans focused games. What's not ok is to try to make the creator deviate and make their creation what you think it should be.
IT GOT UPDATED OH EM GEEEEEE
Is the reboot version compatible for Windows? I can only download the old one.
IT FINALLY GOT UPDATED?! WHAT THE FUCK?!
It's a miracle. It truly is. Glad you're back Leo!
And Lars is the most dangerous character that I have ever seen in a VN. Everytime he looks at me I just feel my heart wanna leap out of my chest and his damn cheeky ass smile is burned into my head that my spine always tingles in sensation that I might be falling in love with him... If Lars is confirmed as a top then I will go FUCKING FERAL AS LARS FIT MY "WHORE OUT" CHECKMARKS OH MY FUCKING GODS.
IM FREAKING THE FUCK OUT!
Cant wait for the full Reboot Keep up the Hard Work Leo You can do it